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MB_Vanderboegh
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Use of Garand Rifles by scouts
Jun 27th, 2007, 2:34pm
 
I'm curious about one thing in the Scout's use of Garands in the 1941-1942 campaign.  I have read anecdotes from tankers, among others, about having to save their 1919A4 cloth machine belts and later, when out of the action for a bit, reloading them by hand from Springfield/Enfield 5 round stripper clips.

As the Garand used an 8-round en bloc clip which was not resupplied after the campaign began, did the Scouts have to save/scavenge these clips to relaod later?
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Re: Use of Garand Rifles by scouts
Reply #1 - Jun 28th, 2007, 7:17am
 
Here is an excerpt from Bataan, Our Last Ditch by John Whitman.

Page 25, Chapter: Mobilization,

"Both the Americans and Scouts carried the new semiautomatic M1 Garand rifle. Its eight-round clip and rapid fire - twenty to thirty aimed shots a minute - surprised the first Japanese to come up against it. The sights were designed to give good visibility at night, and it proved to be one of the most reliable and rugged rifles in military history. The M1's replacement of the beloved 1903 Springfield did not sit well with all soldiers, especially the older men who were proud of their careful trigger squeeze and marksmanship. The M1 seemed to encourage volume of fire over accuracy, and when war started, some men went to the extreme of swapping their M1's or buying an '03. Although the situation with rifles was good, there was a shortage of light machine guns, 60mm mortars, ...."



Here's an excerpt about the M1's and shortage of M1 clips. Page 353, chapter: The Pockets:

on receiving orders to clear out pockets of Japanese...

"...Each rifleman carried 160 rounds of M1 ammunition, and the machine gunners carried 1,000. Although rifle ammunition was in adequate supple, there was a shortage of M1 clips, which reduced the Scouts to stripping the .30 caliber rounds from five-round Springfield clips and putting them into eight-round M1 clips. But morale was high. A third of the troopers had between eight and thirty years' service, and even the newest reqcruit had at least nine months. All were excellent marksmen. Dressed in khaki trousers, leggings, wool shirts, and steel helmets, the Scouts rolled their packs and shouted, 'Patay sila!', 'They shall die!'"
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Re: Use of Garand Rifles by scouts
Reply #2 - Jun 28th, 2007, 3:30pm
 
Thanks!
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Re: Use of Garand Rifles by scouts
Reply #3 - Aug 6th, 2007, 1:03pm
 
My Dad. 1st Lt. James W.Daly, traded his M-1 for a Springfield, as he found one labeled one of a thousand. Dad had been trained with the M-1 but always preferred the bolt action Springfield. When he was shot in the hip and could not stand up, he threw away the bolt before discarding the rifle.
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Re: Use of Garand Rifles by scouts
Reply #4 - Aug 26th, 2007, 9:32am
 
A common fallacy is that there few (or no) M1s in the Philippines.  In actuality, the 45th, 57th and 31st regiments were equipped with them, as well as the 26th Cavalry.  I would guess somewhere in the area of 5,000-8,000 Garands.  MacArthur requested 84,000 more in late 1941 but (obviously) never got them.
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